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Re: Facts about schizophrenia      3-Jul-06 11:33 am    
>>> The rate of 11 out of 100,000 persons per year is the suicide rate for the population at large.

The suicide risk for those treated with the SSRIs - Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors such as Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa is 718 per 100,100 according to the aforementioned scientific research (which cover the time span of 15 years) completed in 2000.

If we divide 718 by 11 the figure we get is 66.18. Your wonder drugs Zoloft increases suicide risk by at least 66.18 times in the long term use. Good luck and get well soon. <<<



Alper, those stats you gave are extremely distorted and MISLEADING.
Here are some more RELEVANT stats:

15-20 percent of people with untreated Major Depression commit suicide. That equals 15,000 to 20,000 per 100,000.

Antidepressant medications, such as SSRI's are usually prescribed as treatment for Major Depression. YOU said that 718 out of 100,000 people on such medication commit suicide.

Based on those figures, antidepressant medications DECREASE the suicide risk by 96-97%.

So I thank you, Alper, for helping to provide depressed people with another reason to comply with prescribed antidepressant meds.
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If you look through the message thread, it should be obvious that Ms Numbers had repeatedly provoked and tempted me into...
kuegshusreuh 28-Jun-06 11:35 am  
 
You may be right. I shouldn't have responded to her. I wonder if kitarian and ms.numbers are the same person. Why else w...
kuegshusreuh 28-Jun-06 11:40 am  
 
To attribute your inability to refrain from name calling to me is ridiculous. You are responsible for what you write.
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 01:36 pm  
 
It turns out that the "facts" you mentioned here ARE in conflict with things I've been "conditioned to believe." That *...
kuegshusreuh Rate it 28-Jun-06 01:36 pm  
 
"I wonder if kitarian and ms.numbers are the same person." Of course we are. In fact, I have many id's on this board. C...
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 01:37 pm  
 
"Inability" to refrain from name-calling?? I willfully CHOSE to call you a freak and I take full responsibility for doi...
kuegshusreuh Rate it 28-Jun-06 01:40 pm  
 
Yeah, I figured. But frankly, who really cares? As for "guessing" who your other id's are, why don't you ask the person...
kuegshusreuh 28-Jun-06 01:44 pm  
 
"Yeah, I figured. But frankly, who really cares?" If you don't care, then just don't reply. You've shown you care by re...
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 02:06 pm  
 
"The drugs you've gained dependency, on the other hand, will irreversibly wreck your mental as well as physical health s...
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 02:07 pm  
 
I just added another rec to your post. Good one!
regener8r Rate it 28-Jun-06 03:20 pm  
 
Awwww....c'mon now #'s. Your going to start WWIII. LOL
regener8r Rate it 28-Jun-06 03:21 pm  
 
Al, Are you a Scientologist by any chance?
regener8r Rate it 28-Jun-06 03:23 pm  
 
K, Whoever started this thread hasn't posted in well over a year.....at least not under that ID. Gen
regener8r Rate it 28-Jun-06 03:25 pm  
 
Al, You have not disclosed anything persoanl...nor should you. However, if you have published articles, what's the har...
regener8r Rate it 28-Jun-06 03:35 pm  
 
Alpo, you cannot possibly be as dense as this last post of yours suggests, so I conclude that you are playing dumb on pu...
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 03:42 pm  
 
My name is 117. My surname is 5321. My job is to detect crap, and from your first post the crap detector sounded. Alpo,...
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 03:45 pm  
 
Hey, are you me?
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 03:45 pm  
 
I see we have someone here who doesn't believe in the medical (organic, genetic, etc.) existence of schizophrenia. Why ...
bowdoup3 Rate it 28-Jun-06 09:26 pm  
 
Alperr, You're saying that the abrupt withdrawal of the meds mimic psychosis. If he didn't have the SYMPTOMS and diagn...
regener8r Rate it 28-Jun-06 10:39 pm  
 
The doofus puppet dangles helplessly.
l_1175321_l 28-Jun-06 11:19 pm  
 
Alper, I've seen several programs of patients diagnosed with Schizophrenia. It's a scary and unpredictable disease! ...
regener8r Rate it 29-Jun-06 10:06 am  
 
I thought I've seen that symptom list before. But I recall them saying that "YES" responses mean that a person might not...
meberwiht Rate it 30-Jun-06 11:16 am  
 
Maybe we can use type II diabetes in comparison. If one is prone to type II diabetes and modifies one's diet accordingl...
duke_nu_kem Rate it 30-Jun-06 12:59 pm  
 
Hey, thanks for noting that connection between diabetes and depression, and thyroid condition. We are still discovering...
duke_nu_kem Rate it 30-Jun-06 01:12 pm  
 
Alpo, the first step in dealing with your illness is admitting it. Try talking to a professional about your paranioa. Ma...
l_1175321_l 30-Jun-06 03:05 pm  
 
Verrrry well said, Duke! You said it much more intelligently than I could! thanks :) Gen
regener8r Rate it 30-Jun-06 04:27 pm  
 
I used my health issues to demonstrate what causes MY depression. You're right in the respect that if one hormone is ...
regener8r Rate it 30-Jun-06 04:51 pm  
 
Holistic medicine has been practiced for thousands of years, with the Ayurvedic traditions found in India and Asia (Ayur...
duke_nu_kem Rate it 30-Jun-06 06:23 pm  
 
Al, You are entirely correct when you say that withdrawal of these drugs can be danerous, which is precisely WHY the w...
regener8r (1 Rating) 1-Jul-06 10:06 am  
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"The explanation is that whenever you attempt to quit them you experience the withdrawals of these drugs as you don't no...
l_1175321_l 2-Jul-06 09:03 pm  
 
Of course the recs don't belong to you. They belong to us, and you still haven't figure out what they mean, little guy. ...
l_1175321_l 2-Jul-06 09:05 pm  
 
Alpo, you've demonstrated an inability to present evidence for your ill-formed hypotheses. Ergo, you must have little or...
l_1175321_l 2-Jul-06 09:07 pm  
 
Re: Facts about schizophrenia
alice_768594 No ratings 3-Jul-06 11:33 am  
 
I'm certain that you'd rub your hands with great glee upon reading that, prior to the discovery of antibiotics and even ...
duke_nu_kem (1 Rating) 4-Jul-06 04:10 pm  
 
With all the testimonials that have appeared on this thread and others, one could hardly agree with your position that t...
duke_nu_kem Rate it 4-Jul-06 10:30 pm  
 
Alpo knows the damage he's experienced from his long-run chronic problem. Stay right where you are Alpo - we'll continue...
l_1175321_l 5-Jul-06 01:11 pm  
 
the little guy: The puppet dangles, the puppeteers chuckle. Source: Members of the Board, July 5, 2006.
l_1175321_l 5-Jul-06 11:19 pm  
 
Yet the causitive link has not been established. All that has been proven is a corollary bewteen ...
duke_nu_kem (1 Rating) 6-Jul-06 12:32 pm  
 
see for yourself ...
you_talk_too_much... 6-Jul-06 02:43 pm  
 
As someone who's worked in the mental health system, most completed suicides I knew of involved people who had dropped o...
alice_768594 (1 Rating) 7-Jul-06 03:54 pm  
 
Your only offer is to discredit the segment of the mental health field that uses medication to support rehabilitation. ...
duke_nu_kem (1 Rating) 8-Jul-06 12:50 am  
 
Alper, you obviously have never lived with a person with schizophrenia and never had to deal with a schizophrenic family...
bowdoup3 (1 Rating) 9-Jul-06 12:19 am  
 
No she's not. I am.
l_1175321_l 10-Jul-06 10:10 am  
 
You still haven't answered my question on the other thread. When are you going to answer it??
meberwiht (1 Rating) 10-Jul-06 05:21 pm  
 
the little guy, You spread crap and have no credibility, but you are comfortably under our control. You cannot escape f...
l_1175321_l 11-Jul-06 12:19 pm  
 
Alper, I don't buy your explanation as to why you see "no need" to show us an original copy of Dr. Arif Khan's work. Yo...
alice_768594 Rate it 11-Jul-06 04:04 pm  
 
BG, I fully agree with your post. Antidepressant medications do carry the risk of precipitating a manic episode, partic...
alice_768594 Rate it 11-Jul-06 04:18 pm  
 
>>> But do you know how many teenagers, children, young people, people from minority groups in the world suffer because ...
kuegshusreuh (1 Rating) 12-Jul-06 10:44 am  
 
Sounds like a fun group. Can I join?
meberwiht Rate it 12-Jul-06 05:01 pm  
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